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Post by noknuckles on Feb 24, 2013 11:58:20 GMT -4
It looks totally Normal to me. I know Eevee is already normal, but they could make it a Normal eeveelution with better stats and better move pool. It looks wimpy, so giving it physical normal attacks like Take Down would seem weird. I would think they would make some Special Atk based Normal moves like Hyper Beam.
Actually, I imagine it using indirect attacks like Sing/Hypnosis, Attract. I'd also imagine it using a Normal version of Volt Switch (attacks while switching the poke out)
I'm imagining you choosing between Normal and Fighting. The Normal (Sylveon) relies on tricks and fights indirectly, while the Fighting one fights ferociously dealing direct damage
Back to the starter thing: I guess the typing is so that you get a type advantage circle (Grass>Water>Fire>Grass). The rival will always choose an advantageous starter, though I don't see why this HAS to be the case. The type advantage is irrelevant as you move through the game and fill out your team
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Post by Singy on Mar 1, 2013 23:21:40 GMT -4
Well, from the video (if that's any indication of anything) it seems like it knows swift and a few other things. It would be interesting as a boosted normal type, and I thought of that myself, but I was kind of hoping for something a little bit different. Having a Normal version of Volt Switch could be an interesting idea though...
As for the starter point, it does seem a bit trivial to always give your rival the advantage. It can make the first few confrontations difficult, though when they get non-Normal moves of course, but, as you mentioned, it becomes a bit of a moot point later on in the game. I suppose it could simply be a matter of tradition, even though they do try to change it up occasionally, like in Pokemon Black and White. Just the thought of eliminating that dynamic kind of make things seem arbitrary somehow.
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Post by noknuckles on Mar 6, 2013 20:24:05 GMT -4
An interesting trio would be Electric > Flying > Ground. The weaknesses don't behave in the same ways.
Electric <-> Flying - behaves in the classic way. Flying <-> Ground - Flying has immunity to ground but doesn't have an offensive strength vs ground Ground <-> Electric - Ground owns Electric
Or how about Fighting > Dark > Psychic. Again, Dark owns Psychic, but that's the price you pay for picking such a badass type for a starter
My suggested typings may not be fair, but hell the matchups aren't supposed to be fair in the first place
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Post by Singy on Mar 11, 2013 21:48:59 GMT -4
Though these ideas are great, I do wonder about the movesets for Dark and Psychic pokemon. Even if the first tier grass, water and fire moves aren't the best for the starters, they do a decent amount of damage given the level and upgrade rather nicely. Dark and Psychic moves aren't as nicely upgrade-able (for lack of a better term). Either they'd have to upgrade some of the moves, or make a decent stock of new ones to allow for better distribution.
Granted, I really do love the idea; I think any new type trilogy would be nice to see. The Electric, Ground, Flying could be fun, especially given the abilities you mentioned.
Though talking about matchups, I thought it was interesting that Generation 5 introduced two rivals rather than one, incorporating the disadvantaged trainer's (at least, relative to your pokemon) weakness as an aspect of their story. Do you think future generations should have two rivals again, or was the single rival with a starter type advantage a better set-up?
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Post by noknuckles on Mar 13, 2013 16:59:01 GMT -4
Psychic's progression should be OK. Going from Confusion to Psybeam to Psychic/Psyshock isn't bad. Though knowing gamefreak, they'll probably invent a bunch of Physical psychic moves and load them onto a special-based pokemon.
I just checked the stats on Dark attacks and going from Bite to Crunch isn't that huge a leap. I always felt Bite sucks and Crunch is awesome but that's not really the case. Crunch isn't as strong as I imagined.
Gen 5 was pretty cool. The two rivals weren't really great trainers, and it was cool that the weaker one chose the disadvantaged. But here's the thing I liked most about the setup: neither of them were rivals really. N felt like way more of a rival and the story constantly pushes this N vs you rivalry (the chosen trainers and whatnot). Bianca/Cheren were more like support characters.
If there's a formula I'd like to see more of, it's that the rival doesn't have one of the three starters. In Poke Yellow, Gary started with an Eevee. That was sweet. Imagine if in B/W, N had something sweet like Deino as his ace.
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Post by meikyuutie on Mar 20, 2013 20:55:17 GMT -4
lol psychic startar would be way overpowrered -o-;
noknuckles i rly like ur idea about normal/fighting eveeolution!! there r sum rumours that it will be a new type all togther... cuz they've never withheld info on eeveeolutions bfeore like this except for umbreon which wa sa new type... hmm.
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Post by noknuckles on Mar 24, 2013 11:43:13 GMT -4
New type is plausible. There's a rumour it's gonna be a fairy type, and all the pink pokes are gonna be moved to that type
All the mystery surrounding it does make it seem like it's gonna be a new type
It just occurred to me that most of my previous post was bs, and that rivals tend to suck. I just have a more vivid memory of Gen 1, where Gary was completely kickass, and I just remember the tragedy of him becoming champion, reaching the pinnacle of the pokemon league only to lose his title and thus the love of his grandpa. I played every gen, but don't remember much from gen2-4. I don't even remember what team I used for any of those games. Can you believe that?!
On another note:
Why is Ash still the main character? I heard that the reason Ash is still 10 is because they want to keep the fanbase fresh, so having Ash grow up and continue his journey as a 25 year old would suck for the child fanbase (who they want to attract), but if the new fanbase has no connection to Ash, why do they still need to use him? He's not needed to attract new fans, and his existence makes the show awkward for the existing fanbase.
I remember when I first played Poke Red, it kicked ass that I was embarking on the same journey as Ash, that I was sharing his experiences and I essentially WAS Ash. There's no more connection, you're watching Ash, but you are playing as some random minor character that's irrelevant to the anime story. Also, why does Ash always suck? He makes it far every season, then resets his power level every season? Why not just give closure to Ash's story and choose a new hero, like what Yugioh has been doing for the past decade+. Then when Ash shows up as a 25 year old, the new fans are like "whoa this guy is so cool" and the old fans pee their pants a little.
Every time I try to watch an episode of Pokemon, I'm always reminded of how much of a loser Ash is, and how discontinuous the story is, and I turn it off after minutes
Gen 5 was such a fresh game to play, I hope they do the same for the show. Just please, close Ash's story.
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Post by Singy on Mar 24, 2013 22:02:52 GMT -4
A fairy type? Interesting. Admittedly, I don't really like the retcon involved in switching old pokemon's type, but this could be interesting depending on where they go with it. Granted, a lot of the first generation normal types are going to be changed, which will be interesting. So, yeah, I do hope the reason they're withholding it does have to do with the fact that it is a new type, but I suppose we shall see. 6th gen is such a mystery...
As for Ash, I admit I am getting little tired of his reuse in the anime. While I understand his need to prove himself, and don't entirely mind is penchant for losing (it would be a little boring if he always won), I hate how the narrative treats him. I feel that, for all the progress he might have made character-wise at the beginning, he's kind of regressed over time. Also, as you said noknuckles, he really isn't all that relatable either and it would probably go over better if they tried introducing a whole new cast, rather than just new sidekicks. However...I guess it might be difficult to end his journey in a satisfactory way, so maybe that's why the writers are having a hard time letting him go, besides their idea that he relates to the childish audience.
Maybe the series will end with his eleventh birthday? xD
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Post by noknuckles on Mar 27, 2013 18:24:32 GMT -4
LOL that would be an epic end
He regressed, or at best, stood still. Losing is totally fine. You learn a lot from losing and spreading the message that you can learn from failures and grow from them is fine, but Ash doesn't grow at all. There are ways to give closure to Ash's story in a satisfactory manner, though they probably missed their window by over a decade. Winning Indigo League being the most extreme, or even losing to Richie as he did, learning about *insert message about friendship and failure here.* Anything that ends with Ash growing and being on his way to becoming a great trainer is better than this stagnation that we're currently getting, where Ash just constantly hits the reset button, and somehow noone in the new regions have ever heard of this regular Poke League contender
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Post by meikyuutie on Apr 3, 2013 3:28:47 GMT -4
They shud have 1 final movie with ash n teh group... like bring back ALL his friends for 1 big movie, missty, brock, may, max, dawn, iris, celan... thatd be the way 2 go methinks ^.^
liike digimnon changes its cast every season.... n a lot of ppl still watch it at least theh japanese one. tai n the main charcters from season 1 even grew up in season 2 and u got to see them as addults. it was rly cool!
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Post by Sai on Apr 6, 2013 17:18:57 GMT -4
^ That'd actually be a pretty good idea. Especially if they brought the movie over to the West and played it in theaters like they did with the first few, they'd probably get a lot of attention for the nostalgia factor. I loved Digimon's 2nd season Digimon as a whole has always been a lot more better as far as the two anime are concerned. Character development, an actual plot, rotating casts, etc. ... Now I really want to go watch Digimon :XD
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Post by Sai on May 11, 2013 23:23:05 GMT -4
New pokemon revealed!! www.serebii.net/corocoro5131.jpg- Gogoat, Elikiteru, Yayakoma, and Yancham I've been wanting a Panda pokemon for ages, I'm definitely catching one, haha.
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Post by meikyuutie on Sept 6, 2013 15:40:47 GMT -4
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Post by noknuckles on Sept 6, 2013 22:03:33 GMT -4
They look pretty good. Mega Absol and Mega Ampharos look wicked
Magic Bounce is a cool ability on Mega Absol, but you can't really deter Stealth rocks the same way other Magic Bouncers can. You have to actually use a turn to mega evolve so you can't switch it in on SR. It's certainly an interesting ability, especially on something that gets Swords Dance + Sucker Punch.
I'm probably gonna start Fennekin and pick Squirtle when I get the chance. I love Fennekin so much. Hope it doesn't evolve into something ugly
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Post by Sai on Sept 7, 2013 17:44:32 GMT -4
The megas are an interesting idea. I'm still torn between Fennekin and Chespin (we really need those final evolutions!!), but I'm leaning a bit more towards Fennekin right now. If that was the case, I'd probably get Squirtle, but if I get Chespin I'll get Charmander. Except... I kind of don't want to use any of the 1st gen starters because there are already so many new pokemon I want to use, and there'll only be more once they're announced XD Ahh, this is gonna be tough.
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