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Post by sevenpetals on Aug 7, 2012 16:17:30 GMT -4
this 6 minute song was released in 1998 by Nana... i feel it wouldve been a good release for her, its one of her OLD songs that i loved instantly (its a catchy song!!!) much more than Omoi/Heaven Knows even... why wasnt this seriously released?
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Post by amelala on Aug 7, 2012 17:33:04 GMT -4
is in NOëL: La neige Départ Chisato×Nana album ^^;; so it did release
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Post by relmy on Aug 7, 2012 22:05:04 GMT -4
I love these super old Nana songs. It's definitely her voice, but she sounds so young and you can tell she's been told to sing in that cutesy idol style.
I like the fact that you can tell she has talent from day one of her career, but she really grows into her voice as her works progress.... if that makes sense? It's late and I'm tired.
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Post by sevenpetals on Aug 8, 2012 8:08:32 GMT -4
ah... was that the album that Thermidor was on o.o? And yes^ relmy with the cute voice, now a days it seems to only be used on songs that were made for it... i seriously wonder if when a song for nana is composed/written (either by her/fujibayashi/hibiki/...other people except sonoda) if they decide the second the song is done Ok Nana - you're going to sing this one with the idea "Cute" in ur mind... or "Cute" meets "Strong"or if Nana herself has any input into that... for example Romancer's Neo... was for a Nanoha song, which about everysong has been a semi Cute voice, but Romancer's Neo was a bit lower in tone, (which imo is good, but it would've been better if she had used her more anime voice... maybe thats just me, but i prefer it, it glides over notes easier IMO)
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Post by Sai on Aug 8, 2012 22:37:48 GMT -4
So very cute! This song just bleeds typical 90s idol-pop. It is really catchy, though.
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Post by haksaw on Aug 9, 2012 10:15:43 GMT -4
A prime example of why she should avoid that overly cute stuff. Really, don't you want to just tear that girl out and replace her for some more suitable one? ;D Just forget for a second that it's actually Nana and look honestly - is it really that cute? And imagine one of that really cute idols in her place - wouldn't that be like 10 times better? Plus it may be amusing, but Nana looks way better and even more cute now, than she did when she was at her 20s (and "more cute" doesn't mean she's cute now, just she was even less cute before lol). The song itself is ok though and I have it in my primary playlist so I listen to it pretty often despite it being "super old" =) How can something from 1998 can be super old anyway?  Mmm I'm actually pretty sure they decide it before the song is written. Plus isn't it composer's work to decide the way the song sounds? So unless she's a composer herself she should be told how to sing. |
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Post by amelala on Aug 9, 2012 17:28:13 GMT -4
Mmm I'm actually pretty sure they decide it before the song is written. Plus isn't it composer's work to decide the way the song sounds? So unless she's a composer herself she should be told how to sing. there is a 3rd person call arranger who keep the music in order... ( musiced.about.com/od/famousmusicians1/p/arrangers.htm ) n i dont think they both teach Nana how to sing..most likely both arranger & Nana discuss how they all wan the song to be, even when Nana is singing |
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Post by haksaw on Aug 9, 2012 19:00:10 GMT -4
Is it really a 3rd person? I have an impression that almost every composer will arrange his own piece... Let's see how it is in Nana's case... I'm too lazy to check all her albums but at last 2 the music and arrangement is indeed usually done by the same person and when not in most cases they are both from Elements Garden and I'm pretty sure they work so close together it's hard to say that it's done by different individuals =) Still when the music is written by Nana herself arrangement is done by the different person so we can safely say she is told how to sing even her own songs ;D And of course by "told how to sing" I don't mean someone teaches her lol ;D That's actually the whole point of performers - you tell them what you want them to do and they do it without any needing of additional training - you just choose the performer that already can pull off what you have in mind. Or the other way around - you create something for a concrete performer knowing his strong and weak points and adjust accordingly. In both cases in the end you will still have to tell him what you want him to do They discuss how they want the song to be way before the arrangement and, well, this discussion is the 1st thing to do. Though I'm pretty sure that "they" vary for each concrete song and Nana is not always among them. And when she does her position and thus influence can also vary. So it's pretty hard to say for all the songs, but we can speculate on concrete ones. |
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Post by meikyuutie on Aug 22, 2012 23:44:18 GMT -4
lol hakwsaw likes to suck the fun out of anythngi anyone posts... lol ┐('～`；)┌
sch a cutie song... n yes, nana-chan looks like such a sweetherat here >.<
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Post by sevenpetals on Aug 23, 2012 21:20:14 GMT -4
Thats how HE has fun kyuutie <3
Composers and Arrangers dont always do both jobs.... maybe in popular music, but i RARELY see actual musical pieces composed and arranged by the same person, especially in older songs.... ( i see tons of music daily, sometimes over 30 pieces to give you an idea of how rarely i see it) If its 2 people, no matter what been done, its by 2 people, even if 1 just suggested a simple idea or corrected a minor mistake....
Also, thats how SOME performers work... in america its usually they take someone who is marketable, not someone who can actually do what they need them to do instantly... alot of up and coming singers need music lessons provided to them by someone after being signed, and before debuting... i believe Nana didnt lol xD (see enka training for years *cough cough* The fact that Nana wasnt the cutest idol looking person at the time of being signed by King Records and got no make over for several years shows that they actually cared about her (at least a little) and believed in her abilities enough to give her a shot... People who i can think of that obviously needed singing lessons before they SHOULD'VE Debuted = Kana Nishino... she really couldn't sing very well and they actually didnt auto-tune the heck out of her which is surprising, but refreshing... and her voice has rounded out to be more mature since her first album.... like first single after it was released, "Motto" was Instantly better... i could tell she got lessons or something
Anyway, im ranting... im sure more than just the Composer has an idea of how the song should be sang.. because another thing is for nana songs u never see the composer write the lyrics (nana always writes 1 or more songs on a single/album as far as ive seen... and its always the A-sides and maybe a B-side idk right now... i know she wrote Love Brick with 2 other nobodies... some1 named MEG who was NOT the same meg produced by nakata) Lyrics of a song Also determine how they should be sang, and in her case they almost always match.. (see romancer's neo, im sorry i love the song, but i dont think her "voice" fits it at some parts)
since Nana writes some of her songs, and has composed like 2, i think she has a LITTLE say in how she sings a song if its written/produced in anyway by herself....
I think the type of voice persona she uses in a song really can determine whether a Studio ver. or a Live ver. is better... in Live she rarely cares to perform lets say Discotheque as cute as it was studio wise... but she usually does that when its performed in a duet (see akb48, aya hirano... who cant sing no offence) I like discotheque live more because she uses a more natural voice.. I think the songs that have the wrong "voice" used always end up better live... anyone agree? and sorry if my "voice" quotations are confusing anyone.. im referring to the way she sings a song, like a cute voice, a rough edgy voice, etc etc... not every singer does that, many sound the same on every song so its refreshing to me.
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Post by haksaw on Aug 24, 2012 8:47:25 GMT -4
I wish that was true... Hm? Exactly how old? Actually I had a feeling arranger is somewhat "new" profession. Were there arrangers like 100 years ago? Not that long ago I didn't even know that arrangers existed separately - arrangement was always seen by me like a part of composer's work. And it still is actually. I mean, is it even possible to create a melody without hearing how it should sound in the end? Er, this is possible, ofc, with the melody alone, but is that it? Composers nowadays don't create music, they just whistle melodies? Isn't creating actual arrangement also a part of creating a music piece? Giving your melody to someone else to arrange looks like an artist giving his sketch to someone else to complete the drawing - it looks so wrong... At least for me =) I was talking about the general idea behind performers. Any performers, even if you need someone to have your roof fixed ;D What you are talking about is not using a performer, but creating one - that's a different story. I'll say more - pretty much anyone (including us here) has an idea of how the song should be sung (and sound in general). Important thing is whose opinion is actually weighty enough to have an influence ;D Making sounds into music and making words into poetry is like totally different skills and I don't think it's that common for a composer to write lyrics. Or maybe it is common and that's why lyrics for most songs suck that much recently? ;D Never had a habit to look up the authors... Sometimes I don't even know the writer whose book I'm reading lol ;D Well, yes, but how common is it to write lyrics before music is complete? I know this is done sometimes, but common sense tells me not that often. Surely she has a say... Well, maybe even a passing cleaner has a say lol ;D Some genial ides came from unexpected sources. But important thing is who's making final decisions and how often this person is Nana herself if ever. Does she ever say "I will sing this that way" instead of "Let's try this that way"? Something tells me that the correct answer is "no", but who knows... Actually at first I was talking about general guidelines of "how to sing", like what general feeling should the song convey, which parts should be higher and so on. Some minor things like exactly how higher and exactly what feeling should convey this exact line (yes, those are minor things even if they can make or break the song... minor things do matter %)) can be decided during actual recording and she has more chances to change them, but I still think the final word is not hers. Still, we don't know. And we surely can't say for all the songs. Do you really need to go that far here? ;D I can count by the fingers the songs that sound better in a studio version, maybe even by the fingers of one hand. Well, there are songs that I don't like so they sound not that good be that live or studio lol, but still So even when she uses her ordinary voice, studio version usually sounds mmm pale? Come to think of it, it's natural. Hard to be all that emotional in front of a wall, isn't it? Of course you can act, but it will still be fake, your skills can only decrease the level of fakeness. In front of audience everything changes. Unless you're lipsyncing of course ;D So pretty much any singer will be more emotional and involved into process during live, it's just not all of them can also sing good live, so you have to choose between actually good singing in studio version and emotional one from live. In our case we just don't have to choose, thanks to Nana ;D |
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Post by relmy on Aug 25, 2012 17:36:20 GMT -4
^ Where do you find the time to write posts that are so pedantic? I think the type of voice persona she uses in a song really can determine whether a Studio ver. or a Live ver. is better... in Live she rarely cares to perform lets say Discotheque as cute as it was studio wise... but she usually does that when its performed in a duet (see akb48, aya hirano... who cant sing no offence) I like discotheque live more because she uses a more natural voice.. I agree with you on the whole voice thing. DISCOTHEQUE is song that's leagues better live. A bit off the point, but for me, it really shows Nana's skill when she performs duets. She (obviously) performs to the best of her ability, but she alters her voice to also accentuate her duet partner - which works wonders in, for example, the AKB duet, where she closed the vocal ability gap slightly. If that makes sense. |
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Post by amelala on Aug 26, 2012 3:43:47 GMT -4
yap she even change note for Mayu (because its suppose to sing high but mayu sang low) so Nana help a quick change to Mayu note ^^
most likely Nana is the type that seldom need help for rec her songs, like Pop master rec, they already said good already, but Nana still feel some thing is not right ^^;
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Post by Singy on Sept 20, 2012 2:32:09 GMT -4
She's absolutely adorable, and amazingly in control of her voice, even back then. I know she had extensive training, yet I am still amazed. It's such a fun and light song, as well as being very young (despite the 90s sound). Her voice really hasn't changed too drastically from when she was younger, which I find interesting, though she obviously has improved in many ways. It is extremely catchy mind you, does anyone have it for download? >__<
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